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Jan 10 17 7:03 PM

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I want to start off by saying that I am not a fan of Gamergate Life, but I do have a gripe about the review that is nipping me in the bud.

Oddguy stated that he had less contempt for the pro gamergate side.

I was wondering why that is, when the worst that the game journalists and devs did was call us fat neck beards, decried sexy covers and games, give inaccurate reviews, tampered with Mass Effect 3's ending and censored underage boobies(which has been going on since the beginning of video game localization so no regression there.  Whereas gamergate sent death threats, disrupted meetings, acted as a personal army while declaring "Not your shield", and covered and buddy buddied for actual racists, misogynists, pedophiles, and Jack freaking Thompson.


For the record I am not a proponent of Gamergate, because I find the movement, no matter how many people I adore sugarcoat it, to be rather sexist and evil, due to the constant doxxing, harassment and death threats, and open displays of homophobia and racism.  I am a social liberal, but I don't identify as a SJW, and I oppose the soft censorship practices and the uneducated opinions, but I wouldn't side with a hate mob to oppose them.  I honestly think this snowball of an internet catastrophe needs a third party like the libertarian party or the green party as with US elections, rather then sticking with an extreme as Internet Aristocrat suggests I do.
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BigBurkhart

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Jan 10 17 8:48 PM

It sounds like this isn't a gripe about the review, but just you complaining about someone's political beliefs. Whereas, this belongs up in the Random Neuron Firings board, not here.

Also, just so you know, there were just as many anti-Gamergaters sending death and bomb threats, generally being racist, sexist, and homophobic asshats, doxxing, swatting, and being an angry hate mob. Also, buddy buddied with Jack Thompson? When was this? You know what, don't answer that. This thread doesn't need to blow up. It needs to be either deleted or moved.

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Jan 11 17 6:31 AM

BigBurkhart, I want to start off by thanking you for taking your time to reply to this thread.  Granted, this is a hot button issue, and I personally find it hard to make out what is really going on, specifically because a lot of things that happen are too coincidental, and things never ever feel right.  At least for me.  And there is soooooo much to keep track of, and if you fall on step behind on any of the info, you're either a psycho misogynist, or a cuck who's not a real gamer.  Hurr hurr hurr.

Now to address your points.

  >It sounds like this isn't a gripe about the review, but just you complaining about someone's political beliefs.

The whole point of this subforum is to complain about the author's review.  It is open invitation to get verbally pummeled, so I know what I'm getting into here sonny.  On the flipside, if Oddguy holds an opinion that comes across as unsubstantiated as Tom Preston's "Link's hair should never be blonde because I always remembered him having brown or pink hair in my childhood," then I would think that would be an open invitation to point how dumb that opinion is.  Specifically Oddguy's "Oh gamergate's bad, but SJWS are bad too, and I feel little more sympathy towards gamergate as the lesser evil because reasons."  It's only fair.
 >there were just as many anti-Gamergaters sending death and bomb threats, generally being racist, sexist, and homophobic asshats, doxxing, swatting, and being an angry hate mob.



See  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_Gamergate_claims#Gamergaters_are_harassed.2C_too
 >Also, buddy buddied with Jack Thompson? When was this?
 

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Davis Aurini, a neoreactionary(i.e. a modern day "monarchist" with strides of regressive attitudes towards women's suffrage, and strains of white nationalism), who identifies as a gamergater(and as a brony too), did a documentary called "The Sarkeesian Effect" which is a dime store quality dvd production that seeks to "expose" Anita Sarkeesian.  The documentary features an interview with Jack Thompson, painting him as an ally to gamers.  Essentially this a conservative reaction to the liberal's "No, we are good guys!  Theys are the bad guys" narrative with a "No!  We are the good guys!  Theys are the bad guys!" narrative.

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Jan 11 17 7:05 AM

Anita is a jerk, Davis is a jerk, everyone in both sides of the argument are jerks with a bunch of people who just wanna play videogames caught in the middle and being fed partial information, then pressured to take sides. Of all the things that will not matter at all once civilization has been destroyed and the Mole People rule upon us, this is one of them. End of story.

Also how did you do that 4chan-quote-thingy?

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Jan 11 17 7:30 AM

Last year, around the end of September or beginning of October, I decided to actually go and research for myself the shitstorm that was Gamergate. This was right before the hysteria on campuses that was ignited by Yale and Missouri, if memory serves.

As a result of that, I really don't have sympathy for people too lazy to read into it themselves. Or, even, too spooked to go look at their circlejerk of a reddit page. You might dislike their personal politics, their insistence of their own importance, or their obsession with the LWs, but to call it sexist or evil is laughable.

You seem to have not really looked into what the Not Your Shield thing was about, or the debacle surrounding Srhbutts & Valis. Further, you're referencing old Jim videos from when the wound was fresh, and he was at-the-time pushing the extreme to try to purge all of the culture critics from gaming. That obviously failed, leaving us with a gaming press and (for lack of better word) establishment that most people just ignore while they sample their own farts and go on about how No Man's Sky was a great, immersive experience. He's yet since to make a video about the topic, and clearly doesn't give a shit if the people in kia or gghq continue to jerk themselves off every time Anita shows she's clueless about the medium which she purports to be an expert in.

As to the threats and shit, well, while we have plenty of people claiming that they were sent threats (like the infamous Wu, who I seriously hope does run for office), so far as documented threats and attacks, the goobers have you beat. They've been bomb-threated out of restaurants, bars, and a journalistic conference on the ideas of ethics. They've had their employers called if they use their real names, they've been swatted on camera, they've been booted out of events like sxsw over allegations of being a "hate movement." Meanwhile we have lots of paper-thin stories that fall through with the slightest glimpse on the other side, which almost never seem to follow through. Oh, but they did celebrate the death of the one GG-er who got hit by a train, I guess they did do that.

All in all, both sides are stupid and obsessed with each other over something that, though one may see it as a precursor to 2016 (and, indeed, many popular right-wing personalities got a boost from hopping onto this wagon), is ultimately unimportant and no one gives a shit about. Casuals are about the only ones to give a damn about the games industry, and even then they're tired of being recommended shitty walking simulators whose plot boils down to "I got an english degree but am a shit writer." Despite both being worthless, though, one side is clearly getting the short end of the stick--and therein lies, I would guess, Oddguy's loose at best sympathy. Especially given that he, as claimed, was the guy who had to do all the digging for the ED article.

I-love-skulls (aurini or whatever) his buddy Neckbeard McGee, and the entirety of that "Sarkeesian Effect" scam thing have been panned, rightly so, by both sides of the aisle as being poorly-produced garbage. Neither of them really have followings within the movement to any particular note, and even then those followers can largely be lumped in with 'I-use-license-free-skulls' guy, the arrested fatso himself, Ralphie. While one can loosely associate them with GG, they themselves reference themselves as... the 'revolution' or whatever? Certainly, they're worthy of scorn, but they get it in heaps from the usual schlubs anyway.

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Jan 11 17 7:37 AM

I̶t̶s̶ n̶o̶t̶ l̶i̶k̶e̶  oddguy e̶v̶e̶n̶ r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ t̶o̶o̶k̶ a̶ s̶i̶d̶e̶ i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ r̶e̶v̶i̶e̶w̶.̶ H̶e̶ j̶u̶s̶t̶  sounds indifferent t̶o̶ G̶a̶m̶e̶r̶g̶a̶t̶e̶  as a whole.

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Jan 11 17 7:57 AM

Shan wrote:
I̶t̶s̶ n̶o̶t̶ l̶i̶k̶e̶  oddguy e̶v̶e̶n̶ r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ t̶o̶o̶k̶ a̶ s̶i̶d̶e̶ i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ r̶e̶v̶i̶e̶w̶.̶ H̶e̶ j̶u̶s̶t̶  sounds indifferent t̶o̶ G̶a̶m̶e̶r̶g̶a̶t̶e̶  as a whole.

He is kinda like God in a way, in that he never pays us attention, is not there when we need him and praying to him does nothing whatsoever.

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Jan 11 17 9:30 AM

Well, GamerGate struck me mostly as annoying video game nerds, whereas the social justice movement (to which the most vocal opposition of GG seemed to belong) is, for all intents a purposes, a hate group. As for various accusations of doxing, death threats and the likes. I've seen very little of the sort that can be linked directly to anyone in GG. Most of it appeared to be shit stirring trolls. This is some thing I know for a fact because, while I personally did fairly little in this regard, I am regularly involved with the sort of people who would do things like dox people in GG to mess with them or send threats to gaming journos knowing GG would get blamed. It was all good fun. By contrast, I can give you multiple examples of prominent people who opposed GamerGate, claiming the sort of moral high ground that you seem to attribute to them, that were directly linked to these sorts of behaviours you disavow. Why, just last week I believe, Matt Hicky (a gaming journalist who was vocal in his opposition to gamergate) was charged with setting up a fake porn studio to trick women into sleeping with him as an "audition". And, while this is not linked to gamergate directly, it sort of shows the character of the people I said I disliked (this is not the only example of this sort of incident). The "paedophilia" comment you made is the most baffling in my eyes, seeing as how Sarah Butts is clearly a child molested and how, in response to this (and perhaps the Alison Rapp incident as well), multiple sites with an SJW slant have been publishing articles defending paedophilia. Hell, just the other day I saw a hilarious screencap someone took of r/gamerghazi (the reddit anti-gameegate central group) where a moderator is informing people that they will be banned if they don't stop making threads defending child molestation all the time.

At the end of the day, GG are a bunch of video games nerds taking their gay hobby too seriously and occasionally crossing the line in the process, alongside some genuine nazis who just figured that the enemy of their enemy is their friend.

Also, you linked to the RationalWiki list of GamerGate shit. That list was written mostly by Ryulong. A guy who was banned from wikipedia, in part due to the fact he accepted bribes from people to use his power as a staff member on wikipedia in order to keep the article about it and anything related from being edited in a way that would paint it in a less negative light.

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Jan 11 17 9:35 AM

Also you use the expression "nipping in the bud" wrong.
You meant "nipping at me, which means "annoying me". No "in the bud" needed. Nipping in the bud means ending something before it starts or gets too far.

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Jan 11 17 3:26 PM

I don't enjoy poking bee's nests, but I think it should be mentioned that the FBI found no evidence of harassment coming from Gamergate. Something you may want to consider. Say what you will about whether or not its a bunch of spastic nerds fighting each other, but the whole hate movement accusation has no factual merit outside of mere assertion and people repeating it without verification.

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Jan 11 17 3:50 PM

oddguy wrote:
Also you use the expression "nipping in the bud" wrong.
You meant "nipping at me, which means "annoying me". No "in the bud" needed. Nipping in the bud means ending something before it starts or gets too far.

Well, I'm going to be honest here boss, I actually thought if you did come by to respond to this, it wouldn't be this week ... or month.

... um ...

​How have you been?

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Jan 11 17 5:29 PM

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BigBurkhart, I
  >It sounds like this isn't a gripe about the review, but just you complaining about someone's political beliefs.

The whole point of this subforum is to complain about the author's review.  It is open invitation to get verbally pummeled, so I know what I'm getting into here sonny. 



Incorrect. This subforum is for random shit that pops into your head.

The subforum for challenging reviews is the second to last one between updates for reviews and whiny fan responses Sonny.

Here's a link.

http://badwebcomicswikiforum.yuku.com/forums/73/Challenges-to-Existing-Reviews

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Jan 11 17 6:04 PM

Horerczy wrote:

Creamysama wrote:
BigBurkhart, I
  >It sounds like this isn't a gripe about the review, but just you complaining about someone's political beliefs.

The whole point of this subforum is to complain about the author's review.  It is open invitation to get verbally pummeled, so I know what I'm getting into here sonny. 

 


Incorrect. This subforum is for random shit that pops into your head.

The subforum for challenging reviews is the second to last one between updates for reviews and whiny fan responses Sonny.

Here's a link.

http://badwebcomicswikiforum.yuku.com/forums/73/Challenges-to-Existing-Reviews

If you didn't see the original posting then maybe you couldn't have known but that's where this post originally was (in the Challenges to Existing Reviews) and then it got moved to this subforum after that post.

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Jan 11 17 7:24 PM

Shan wrote:

Horerczy wrote:

Creamysama wrote:
BigBurkhart, I
  >It sounds like this isn't a gripe about the review, but just you complaining about someone's political beliefs.

The whole point of this subforum is to complain about the author's review.  It is open invitation to get verbally pummeled, so I know what I'm getting into here sonny. 

 


Incorrect. This subforum is for random shit that pops into your head.

The subforum for challenging reviews is the second to last one between updates for reviews and whiny fan responses Sonny.

Here's a link.

http://badwebcomicswikiforum.yuku.com/forums/73/Challenges-to-Existing-Reviews

If you didn't see the original posting then maybe you couldn't have known but that's where this post originally was (in the Challenges to Existing Reviews) and then it got moved to this subforum after that post.

I moved it because a poster in the thread asked that it be moved to this section.  I don't even know or care what Gamergate Life even is.

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Jan 11 17 10:10 PM

RationalWiki is where leftists who think being nihilistic makes them the smartest people who ever lived go to tell each other how smart they are. It's not exactly a reliable source of information on whether or not SJWs involved in anti-GG were shitheads about it.

(Also good to hear someone besides me is a mod. I've been monitoring new posts daily because I thought I was the only guy watching for attacks.)

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Jan 12 17 1:01 AM

RationalWiki used to be cool. It went from a site that mocked religious extremism using science to a site full of people who defend gender studies as a legitimate intellectual pursuit.

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Jan 12 17 1:12 AM

SmashLampjaw wrote:

(Also good to hear someone besides me is a mod. I've been monitoring new posts daily because I thought I was the only guy watching for attacks.)

You guys probably need to talk a bit more with each other. I already assumed you were both mods based on alterations to the Newest Review list on the main page.

​Though I did learn that while plarblman is a mod with the Wiki, he isn't here a while back.

​... also, what is izzus?

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Jan 12 17 7:34 AM

I never got to see the "before" version of RationalWiki. Though what you said reinforces a warning I brought up about SJW infiltration in another thread.
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Shan wrote:
​... also, what is izzus?
That's a super philosophical question. I think the Bladerunner imagery of the comic you're making is affecting your perception.

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Jan 12 17 7:38 AM

SmashLampjaw wrote:
I never got to see the "before" version of RationalWiki. Though what you said reinforces a warning I brought up about SJW infiltration in another thread.
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Shan wrote:
​... also, what is izzus?

That's a super philosophical question. I think the Bladerunner imagery of the comic you're making is affecting your perception.

That's an effect, not a cause.

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Jan 12 17 8:34 PM

If you ask me, Gamergate is yet another /pol/ attempt to recruit as many member against the leftist menace as possible; especially when using a drama that have no significance in the grand scale of politics.

As for Rational Wiki, it was created to make fun of the Right wing politics and media; though it does have SOME common sense.

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