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Jun 8 17 11:02 AM

Shan wrote:

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Comey's written testimony: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/politics/james-comey-memos-testimony/index.html

Media all over are calling the next watergate, saying that it proves all kinds of shit. Did they read the same thing I read?

Did they know they'll sell a lot of airtime and product regardless if they push it? Yes, yes they did.

Oh I know

Its become the favorite sport of western liberal media to shit on Trump

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Jun 8 17 11:05 AM

I don't think it would be significantly different if there's anyone else in power who could generate something they could make news out of. It's all about generating product.

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Jun 8 17 1:12 PM

A long way to go yet but the earliest exit polls for the UK show that the Conservative Party does not have a majority. They may still end up with one in the end but it's not going to be a Labour wipeout. They've done rather better than anyone expected when this all started.

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Jun 8 17 7:18 PM

I'm possibly the last Leftist standing here. I seriously doubt much of what I say is really anything in line with the view of the masses here.

I'm just content to let it ride, as they say.

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Jun 8 17 7:40 PM

smh

I apologize if I have barged into yet another echo chamber of the young and heartless.

Comey's testimony was a non-event that'll be poured over by the chattering classes, all the while everyone pretending that this is somehow business as usual.

I long for Newt Gingrich's gravestone, I long to caress it with a heavy sledge. Men and women are elected to high office and yet they no longer even pretend to represent their full constituency thanks to the good Georgian's normalization of scorched earth tactics best left in Soviet Russia.

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Jun 8 17 11:42 PM

Shan wrote:
I'm possibly the last Leftist standing here. I seriously doubt much of what I say is really anything in line with the view of the masses here.

I'm just content to let it ride, as they say.

I'm Danish - that makes me a communist compared to you tossers :p

Then again, our social welfare wonderland actually sort of works - so then again....


anywho: Destroyer is correct on the Comey shit. Pretty much every news outlet aside from the extreme right ones like Breitbart and alt-right bloggers at first claimed that the testimony was the next watergate and would destroy Trump. Then after people actually read the testimony it turned into a weaksauce fart in a bag. No grand revelations, just a lot of politely worded nothing.

 

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Jun 8 17 11:52 PM

I'm originally from Sri Lanka.

Or to give it its full name, the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka.

So full on Better Red than Dead.

I'm talking redistribution of wealth (we don't you need that many houses) and send your aspiring university students to the then Soviet Union for an education and come back with a degree and speaking Russian and everything.

Luckily not too many of them came back trying to foment revolution at home.

So I think that trumps Denmark and its responsible social democracy.

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Jun 9 17 3:37 AM

Destroyer wrote:
smh

I apologize if I have barged into yet another echo chamber of the young and heartless.

Comey's testimony was a non-event that'll be poured over by the chattering classes, all the while everyone pretending that this is somehow business as usual.

I long for Newt Gingrich's gravestone, I long to caress it with a heavy sledge. Men and women are elected to high office and yet they no longer even pretend to represent their full constituency thanks to the good Georgian's normalization of scorched earth tactics best left in Soviet Russia.

Of course before Gingrich existed, every person elected to office represented their full comstituency and there was no such thing as gerrymandering in the USA.  (Yes this is sarcasm.)

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Jun 9 17 4:28 AM

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Just remember: Everything will kill you. Everything. If everything doesn't kill you, it won't matter, because you'll still die anyways.
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Shan wrote:
Science doesn't really confirm things, well not in the way the man (and woman) on the street often understands it, though ...

Yeah. To put it in layman's terms, science mainly figures out what's most probably true based on present data. SMBC has had several good comics on it, particularly this one on media reporting.
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Difficult, yeah, and I don't see it going out with a bang so much as a whimper - like the complete disinterest revealed by the population in the US when the Snowden leaks came out.

That happened on Obama's watch. The mainstream media did a great job underplaying it as "just metadata only used when someone turns out to be a terrorist" before changing the subject. They continued not bothering It remained a very hot button issue on conservative and libertarian radio for years.
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The problem with large-scale economic crises unseating China is that they already weathered 2008, they survived the near-collapse of their stock market between 2015-2016, and any globally-relevant economic crisis would similarly topple their rivals.

A large part of China's economy is based on manufacturing for the West and they need regular GDP growth every year to sustain their economy at a level that won't end in a revolt. From what I heard it's something like 5.5% which is decidedly unsustainable. I believe they're going to experience interesting times when the rest of us have our overdue market correction.
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So to say, political extremism in an impotent and never-going-to-actually-do-anything form has been accepted into the political mainstream.

The Republican party (at the Federal level) has been made impotent by years of media harassment. You won't see any real action from them until the moderates the GOP got convinced to back are gone, who really owe their worthless careers to the leftists in the media telling the GOP what's best for it. The only extremism at the federal level is from the left because most of the Republicans up there are limp centrists.

Yeah, Snowden happened during Obama - and social media's genesis to the masses was towards the tail-end of Bush, which is more where I see the beginning of the 'just roll over and let everything collapse, I need to write this five-paragraph rant about a political topic I don't understand' era. It's weird, though, because the Snowden thing gets picked up on every now and then in passing reference by the left. Of all people, John "Current Year" Oliver had run a little bit about how no one had any idea who the man was, and even went to the trouble of arranging to interview him in Russia. Of course, it was still framed as a largely-comedic thing, projected primarily to a generation that more than any other shares its data and information without a lick of concern. I have found it teresting to see all of the people railing on about Trump's Orwellianism - there is a very, very loose case to be made here in the way that he decries negative stories as 'false' - yet completely ignore the Orwellianism that was birthed in the Patriot act and strengthened by ol' Barry. 

A large part of China's economy as an industrializing country was that. It's in a transition period, now, however. Their middle class is growing quickly, and buying up luxury goods from outside - and providing services and the usual habitations of an affluent society to boot. You're starting to see more construction, more high-quality manufacturing, and less demand for commodities like coal or iron - what manufacturing plants still exist are running afoul of proto-unions (especially chinese mining companies) and shifting to other industries, particularly military manufacture. Their double-digit growth has dropped to around 7% according to their figures, though as with much anything in China there's a certain dubiousness to whether or not that's accurate or buffed up (likely buffed up). Revolt, however, is not something I believe to be on the rise. The CCP will probably be moved to implement more efficient local governance (and particularly responsive government, a big problem)... but in general, Asian societies don't value the idea of liberty and self-sovereignty as much as enlightenment-influenced ones do. Notwithstanding that it's already crushed revolts from its border regions, China's government is regarded as an implacable thing that simply 'must' exist by many, and the idea of openly opposing it - even without all of the people breathing down your neck and surveilling you - isn't really in vogue. An easy guage to Chinese attitudes in this regard is how they look at Taiwan and Hong Kong, alongside similarly how quickly they've gone along with the government's insistence to boycott south korean goods and services. It will be a groaning period of change for China, but Jinpeng is investing heavily in the future - while the west subsidizes the least productive elements of society in an effort to catch those who genuinely need it. 

While I can see that contributing, I think it more comes from the reality that they're in it for the cash and not the ideas. The ones up there adopt whatever stance is projected to generate the most revenue, absorb the revenue, and then have no real backbone or dedication to the things that they claim to care about. Libertarian and small-government policies are certainly always lambasted by the media, but I imagine the more immediate threat comes to the purse strings. Inefficient corporations, which should rightfully be chewed away by more efficient and innovative competitors, benefit highly from a government that is constantly expanding and barring more and more enterprise from harming their market share. So you have massive amounts of money funneled to democrats, republicans, and the media the corrals them altogether - and ensure that an inch is never chipped away from the expanding mass and reach of government, to better protect the lurching, inefficient titans. 
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Regarding a few other things: the Comey thing was far more candid than I had expected him to be, and it does suggest that the Trump administration is indeed actually just a fumbling mess that has no clear direction or policy plans, contradicting itself at every turn and tripping after 'hitting the ground running.' However, in terms of it affecting anything, unless he revealed something in the classified setting - unlikely - it isn't really going to affect anything. McCain must've been high on cough medicine or something, because he seemed to have a hard time grasping that there were two separate investigations that could be concluded differently. He could've made a strong, stern case about how Clinton's was closed without the recommendation of any prosecution - which was absurd - but instead he just sounded like he couldn't count to 2. Ah, what joy that politicians can be elected over and over again long past their ability to serve - can't wait for Schumer to get wheeled in on a wheelchair and wheeze about how unfair the country is and how hard life is for him before jetting back  to the retirement home for bingo.

And wow, Theresa May going out of her way to prove that Clinton wasn't a bumbling politician without peer - we can have two idiots completely throw elections that were stacked in their favor by sheer force of being terrible, terrible candidates. 

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Having been to Beijing (which admittedly is only a small part of China, but probably an accurate snapshot of life outside of Hong Kong and Shanghai) I can tell you that not all of the economic growth is genuine. I can't say for sure exactly how much, but a portion of it is just soviet-style unproductive make-work projects, especially when it comes to construction. They're trying to make population centers outside of Beijing to deal with population problems, but they're effectively ghost towns because there's no jobs or infrastructure there. I also learned that construction is how local government earns money, since they can't collect their own taxes and try to avoid borrowing money from the national government. I was also surprised to learn that it's a lot cheaper for Chinese people to buy products overseas than in china; you'd think the opposite would be true.

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Jun 9 17 5:14 AM

Also, re:comey, the whole "say whatever will get us the most views" thing is certainly the most plausible explanation. But my more paranoid side thinks it may also have to do with trying to cover up their own incompetance/deliberate falsehoods since the media were the ones pushing the Russian angle in the first place. Or worse, they may be trying to shape public opinion such that whatever outcome from this investigation will be effectively meaningless. They already succeeded in making BLM a political movement based on a lie, so I don't see why they can't do the same for federal politics.

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Jun 9 17 5:17 AM

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ya ok - that's a bit too extreme for me

...why on earth would you be in support of nosh like that, unless you're a teenage edgelord trying to be as contrarian as possible?

Well, just as long as I win the who's more communist contest.

don't support that. It's a bit too much for me to be seizing people's assets in the so-called national interest when all they're doing is enriching themselves. Had it not been for this, my family and relatives would have been obscenely wealthly as opposed to the on average millions to tens of millions they're worth.

Anyway, it's just money. We're all still alive while all those people who did all the stealing have been dead a long time and they didn't die peacefully.

...uh ... we didn't kill them, I hasten to add.

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Jun 9 17 5:22 AM

Remember, China was coming off a low base, so obviously the percentages for economic growth were going to be quite high numbers for a while there. Inevitably it has to start levelling off relative to how it used to be when it was a much smaller nation economically not that long ago before all the industrialisation.

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Jun 9 17 5:37 AM

China does have ghost town structures because of those problems, but it also has a ready-made solution to that problem: the massive amounts of country people who are literally not allowed to move to the cities without being treated as second-class citizens with barely any rights. It's going to have trouble moving people from the crowded population centers into the abandoned towns, but if it eases up regulation to allow the outsiders to come in all at once, it could have a solution. The problem, though, is that many of those properties charge expensive rents - which the countrygoers can't afford.

It's also a convenient way, from what I understand, to launder money as well as boost your supposed economic output. And a 'use it or lose it' approach with money given to regions. It's a whole lot of a mess to keep things looking strong on the outside, but there is still an iron base there. It will likely go into recession or depression even soon, but that is natural for economies in general.

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Jun 9 17 5:39 AM

Long Tom wrote:

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smh

I apologize if I have barged into yet another echo chamber of the young and heartless.

Comey's testimony was a non-event that'll be poured over by the chattering classes, all the while everyone pretending that this is somehow business as usual.

I long for Newt Gingrich's gravestone, I long to caress it with a heavy sledge. Men and women are elected to high office and yet they no longer even pretend to represent their full constituency thanks to the good Georgian's normalization of scorched earth tactics best left in Soviet Russia.

Of course before Gingrich existed, every person elected to office represented their full comstituency and there was no such thing as gerrymandering in the USA.  (Yes this is sarcasm.)

All American states for both state elections and federal ones should give over their drawing of their congressional seats and the like to a genuinely independent electoral commission to draw up like we do in Australia - or any number of other countries. Or even a computer. 

Because as it currently is done, the process is, as we say in Australia ...

Bent. As. Fuck.

For starters, state governments have no business drawing their own boundaries because the end results are far too, often ... what's a polite way of putting it (at least by our standards) ... bullshit.

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