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May 26 15 10:55 PM

dark cloud is the best ps2 game imo, and one of the best RPGs ever made

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May 27 15 12:57 AM

I think it's worth pointing out in this strip that Fenn, who has been dead for the last 30 years and unfamiliar with human interaction, is only going along with what her new friends are doing because she doesn't know better.

What. The fuck. Am I reading?
Also why the fuck is polyamory the new thing among SJWs?


As to ones focused on the gay community (rather than just having a gay character) I think it is sort of difficult to have a story about the gay community and self discovery in terms of sexual orientation without, you know, sex.

I'm positive it can be done just like I'm positive any comic with queer characters, even a smut comic, can actually treat its characters like people instead of objects. Or make the attraction come naturally, not like in many comics (including the ones you listed like GKC or MGDMT or SS). The characters have to evolve naturally, not just out of the blue reveal they're x orientation, especially when they were a different one before or when it's painfully obvious the author set them up to be together via a lot of deus ex machina. Storytelling is an art and good webcomics are incredibly rare. Especially good comics with different genders/sexual orientations because all of them are for the author's faps or for SJW points and 99.9% of them can't even hide it that well (like add an 'icky' pairing since it's always lesbians when a male author is involved and always gays when a female; or the characters do a 180 to be cool; or the trans/gay people act stereotypically or whatever). Again, including examples you gave.

Or I just have too high standards.

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May 27 15 5:49 PM

Yeah. I wasn't sure how much sex constituted sex crazed from the original post; I think it's hard to do a gay coming of age without anything P-13 without it coming off as sort of round about or being fairly disguised. There are some completely chaste examples, but they're rare since, well, sex is kind of a part of the experience of coming to terms with being homosexual. So, there's a few good books which are really well written but there's a lot of sex going on.

For Webcomics? I think you anwser it yourself. If you publish a thinly disguised lesbian or gay porn, you'll be tossed in the pulp/romance section without a second thought. For Webcomic artists? It's "daring" and can actually get buzz going about being progressive, while also pulling in people who want to see them kiss. Webcomics have always been closer to their fanbases, so it sort of makes sense that they'd be more open to listening to shippers begging for two blokes or girls to bump uglies where a TV show is more worried about mass marketability. There's also a lot of shittier webcomics out there that are highly visible. It's definitely a problem that authors avoid "icky" pairings beneath a progressive veneer but it's one I've bitched about and I can't say I've ever gotten a satisfactory anwser as to why so many gloss it.

On the other hand, I also think you're standards might be a bit high as well. For instance;

I'd at least argue that MGDMT wasn't bad about it. It wasn't dropped immediately despite it being something the author has long cared about. The idea that the Commander is willing to swing both ways and say so casually feels like 100% in character for him.

Supernormal Step, I feel like I could kind of see it coming and it didn't feel like it was just dropped in. On the otherhand, I'll agree that she was totally willing to drop the tumblr term and definition was awful writing and made it feel like it was a blantant move to appeal. I'd argue though if she had said something like "Look, I'm flattered but I've just never been into that sort of thing. With anyone." then it'd have felt perfectly organic.

GKC was shite though, I'll concede. I definitely put on a few examples of varying quality since ehn, I can't predict what others like and it has its defenders here.

Cuanta Vita miiiiiiiiight meet your standards though. It has a fairly rape-y character who was creepy as fuck and one character does a homophobic to homosexual flip, but where GKC felt like a cheap pandering move from a fanfic (Oh Kat, I was only nervous! Let us make lesbian babbits!), I actually bought and believed CV's one. Maybe because it was more central and developed a fair bit. Maybe you still won't go for it, but it might just do for you.
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Also why the fuck is polyamory the new thing among SJWs?

My best guess? It's controversial but doesn't directly hurt anyone. So harm principle liberalism. Also, a lot of the arguments for homosexuality can be applied to polyamory with only a few words swapped around, if you're willing to ignore the context. Therefore, it's a new cause they can clammer on about as more and more people are fine with gay marriage.
What. The fuck. Am I reading?

I maintain that some of this could be handled better and actually be good if there were a half decent writer. I'll explain it in two parts;

One of the characters is basically a cyborg reconstructed from bits of a girl who died young. She's got some GhostInTheShell existential shit going on, moping about being a hollow shell of a human and etc. She's cut herself off from people and basically is hiding away from the world. The premise of the comic gives her an odd couple roommate who is now dragging her out to a party to make her less mopey.

This could be done well, I'd say. Where it gets shitty;

The poster is referring to the bit where the cyborg's roommate/the protagonist ditches her so she can get into the pants of some stranger. Basically ditching her introverted cyborg friend with the cast-nympho, where she is too shy to say "fuck off". She then meets a girl with an artificial vagina (I think) and hand, and because of this girl, the cyborg suddenly feels better about having been built from stratch from a dead chick or something. Also, they are all naked for no real reason.

I'm hoping you can make sense of how I phrased my summary, but the plot is still wierd and nonsensical. Still, some of the world building could make a sort of cool Brave-New-World styled surreal world of hedonism and questionable humanity. I think sometimes that this is the goal. But the author really really fails at conveying it if it is.

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May 27 15 9:30 PM

courage136dog wrote:
dark cloud is the best ps2 game imo, and one of the best RPGs ever made

Yeah I was all set to play it then I remembered I haven't beaten Dark Cloud 2 yet.

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May 28 15 1:42 AM

Yeah. I wasn't sure how much sex constituted sex crazed from the original post; I think it's hard to do a gay coming of age without anything P-13 without it coming off as sort of round about or being fairly disguised.

I consider "too much sex" to be when the plot is "they do x, then they have sex, and then they do y, and they have sex". I don't mind smut, but it'd be sweet if people admitted it's smut and not tried to paint it as an edgy, progressive true love story you'll never understand (like a lot of yaoi/yuri webcomics are painted as by the author in the about page). Don't get me wrong, I don't mind porn personally, but it has got to be way less than 50% of the plot for it to be a decent read. Again, unless it's openly acknowledged as smut.


Cuanta Vita miiiiiiiiight meet your standards though. It has a fairly rape-y character who was creepy as fuck and one character does a homophobic to homosexual flip, but where GKC felt like a cheap pandering move from a fanfic (Oh Kat, I was only nervous! Let us make lesbian babbits!), I actually bought and believed CV's one. Maybe because it was more central and developed a fair bit. Maybe you still won't go for it, but it might just do for you.

I actually don't know of this one, so I'll go check it out. Thanks for the suggestion though, maybe I'll end up following it.


I'm hoping you can make sense of how I phrased my summary, but the plot is still wierd and nonsensical. Still, some of the world building could make a sort of cool Brave-New-World styled surreal world of hedonism and questionable humanity. I think sometimes that this is the goal. But the author really really fails at conveying it if it is..

I actually agree and held the same opinion from the start. The setting and worldbuilding is definitely intriguing and if focused on that, it would be a decent webcomic, even the art would pass if the story was good. But instead of a world that is under attack from mutant monsters, and people trying to survive, and cyborgs coming to term with their existence, we get perverts and plots that border on grooming/coersion already. The cyborg chick isn't shy, she's fucking mortified and going along with what she thinks is normal so she gets accepted by the only people that talk with her. Romance.

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Feb 27 17 6:16 PM

I actually read your that called me pretentious. I was being a real shitter lol. You should review it, because last year I had written a rough draft and I couldn't even really bare to read it. Last time I checked, it mostly went on hiatus a lot

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Feb 27 17 7:09 PM

Horerczy wrote:

courage136dog wrote:
dark cloud is the best ps2 game imo, and one of the best RPGs ever made

Yeah I was all set to play it then I remembered I haven't beaten Dark Cloud 2 yet.

Dark Cloud was really good, but didn't really age well. Dark Cloud 2 is still a masterpiece, though.

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Mar 11 17 5:15 PM

courage136dog wrote:
I actually read your that called me pretentious. I was being a real shitter lol. You should review it, because last year I had written a rough draft and I couldn't even really bare to read it. Last time I checked, it mostly went on hiatus a lot

That is a really good idea, can I start a review for this webcomic?

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Mar 16 17 6:00 PM

Lt Art Major wrote:

courage136dog wrote:
I actually read your that called me pretentious. I was being a real shitter lol. You should review it, because last year I had written a rough draft and I couldn't even really bare to read it. Last time I checked, it mostly went on hiatus a lot

That is a really good idea, can I start a review for this webcomic?

Bump, I would like a confirm for approval.

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Mar 17 17 8:23 PM

You have to get moderator approval before a review is included in the Wiki and standard practice is to get a provisional go ahead to start a draft. So that would mean from any of the following as far as I know: Smash, Long Tom, plarblman, izzus, or oddguy.

I would guess looking at the contributors to this current thread that we're technically at initial proposal stage.

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Mar 21 17 6:14 PM

Shan wrote:
You have to get moderator approval before a review is included in the Wiki and standard practice is to get a provisional go ahead to start a draft. So that would mean from any of the following as far as I know: Smash, Long Tom, plarblman, izzus, or oddguy.

I would guess looking at the contributors to this current thread that we're technically at initial proposal stage.

Just start a review in the sandbox.  Look at the format of other reviews and follow suit.

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Mar 22 17 1:08 PM

@Lt Art Major: Hey, isn't GirlGenius on your personal to-do list? It's been in our main to-do list for years before I even got here. You may wanna give that a shot after Computer Love if you're looking for something big to tackle.

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Mar 22 17 1:34 PM

SmashLampjaw wrote:
@Lt Art Major: Hey, isn't GirlGenius on your personal to-do list? It's been in our main to-do list for years before I even got here. You may wanna give that a shot after Computer Love if you're looking for something big to tackle.

Yes it is. I was planning to do Girl Genius after this review, or after my next one.

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Apr 24 17 4:53 PM

Unless she's actually posted/shared babyfur art, I'm going to air on the side of caution and say that she's being facetious.

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