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I like to think that superheroes are one of the few things I can be considered knowledgable about. So much so that even some of the superhero comics with reviews on this site I still read because I'm such a fan of the genre.

But not this comic, oh no. The art is actually decent, so that's not a problem. What I hated about this comic was ultimately the message behind it.

The title character is Alison Green, a retired superhero who quit the job after she decided that superheroes can't really help the world in a way that doesn't involve giant robots and supervillains, and so she's trying to find her place in the world.

This actually sounds like an interesting idea, and could make for a non-terrible comic. If this attitude was mostly limited to the protagonist. Instead, this view of things appears to be held by almost every single superhuman in the setting. By the time the comic starts, most of the heroes and villains have also retired, which makes me wonder why even make a superhero comic, especially when the majority of the conflict and dialogue is Tumblr-brand Social Justice?

Also, the setting is a worldwide "everyone without powers hates everyone with them" deal, in case the idea that the writer of this superhero comic hates superheroes wasn't clear enough.
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Oct 8 15 2:46 PM

The database broke at page 21 for me ...

Stiff dialogue. The art is meh.

A reality ensues superhero story could be I interesting but this isn't.

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People have a common defense mechanism they employ to defend themselves from the threat of contrary viewpoints. This shield they wield is the act of dismissing such contrary viewpoints by arbitrarily undermining their validity.

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Oct 8 15 3:04 PM

Horerczy wrote:
The database broke at page 21 for me ...

Stiff dialogue. The art is meh.

A reality ensues superhero story could be I interesting but this isn't.

This sounds like it would fit the "good idea done wrong" category.

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Oct 9 15 1:03 AM

I'll echo the "too preachy"
And add that I can never take it seriously due to the title. Like, seriously...? Screams "this is the comic's only important feature and I know the exact audience I want!" way too loudly.

Art is decent I guess.

I'd qualify the comic as "meh" - you couldn't find enough idiocy in it for a funny review.

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Nov 13 15 4:52 PM

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I can never take it seriously due to the title. Like, seriously...? Screams "this is the comic's only important feature and I know the exact audience I want!" way too loudly.

 

I don't care at all for the title, and avoided the comic for the longest time specifically because of the title. But, upon finally actually reading it, I greatly enjoyed the comic itself. It's Buffy-ish -- it's actually better at being a Buffy comic than the (mostly) terrible Season 8 comics were.

Apart from the series title, my only real complaint is that the dialogue in the flashbacks is way too self-consciously "old Marvel/Saturday morning cartoon" -- the rest of the book reads so naturally that such stylized stiltedness detracts from the reality of the piece.

But it's still a really good comic.

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Dec 3 15 11:34 PM

the most recent story arc in the comic is just full on SJW

A female superhero goes rogue, starts murdering "evil men who got away with rape" (never mind that they were never found guilty...) and she gets away with it, because our 'strong female protagonist' ends up sympathising with her, because... men are douche-bags.

...followed up by the SFP wanting to set up a social network of SJW supers to help with social issues.

Its about as heavy-handed as it gets.

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Apr 11 16 2:07 AM

I love how the professor is a rough-looking man, who is set up as an asshole by making a pretty cool, considering his age and professor status insensitive joke that triggers the students.

I also don't get what the fuck our SFP is arguing over. There's even a flow disconnect between two pages of her argument and the sentences don't connect logically between the pages. 10/10, amazing work, subscribe to her ideology.[/i]

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Apr 11 16 4:14 PM

I read the first 20 pages of self-insertion, followed by the lecture pages. This comic is rich in vitamin bland.

That said, I am completely at a loss as to why the pathetic communist is getting upset at her professor. New guy, first day of class, and instead of speaking at his student he tries to engage them. He's teaching ethics. If he didn't involve the students the complaint would be that he was arrogant for dictating what they should think to them. What, he's bullying them with jokes to lighten the mood for what is to be a semi-personal discussion?

Wait, shit... I'm sorry. I forgot he was male. He's verbally raping the class in advance of actually raping them. That's pretty much the only thing you can do if you have male genitalia and he's doubled down on it by having a phallic villain cane. I don't know how I missed all that at first. Obviously I need more social justice. Thank goddess for this informative comic!

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Apr 11 16 5:03 PM

She's complaining about a teacher being "intimidating" when his jokes are pretty mild and not aimed at anyone in particular. I've had professors make harsher remarks about people sleeping in class and nobody complained. Then again, I was never in a humanities class.

And in case you need it spelled out, what I mean is I think the people who predominantly fill humanities classes have the intellectual and emotional maturity of a five-year-old. Yeah that's mean, but just look at the news. You don't see that shit happening with math or science students.They're too busy analyzing the real world rather than being indoctrinated by French postmodernism.

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Apr 12 16 6:32 PM

Checked back in again to see what he meant by "tyrant", nope he just changes the subject. Maybe the guy's just trolling the sanctimonious git.

The guy is obviously trying to provoke the class, which is something that should be expected for a class like this, and unfortunately something heavily discouraged in the current academic climate. I also just noticed that his face is all fucked up and full of scars, and considering that can only be a deliberate design decision I have to assume there's some character backstory for this guy. We'll just have to see where this goes.

I'm tentatively considering doing this as my next review, but I may not get to it right away because it looks like a doozy and I don't have lots of free time at the moment.

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Apr 12 16 7:55 PM

Hmm... maybe I need to read the whole comic before making a judgment. I've only read the current classroom scene thus far, and by itself I find it interesting. I don't see the "bias" yet.

My recap:
- New and interesting professor shows up. He baits the class just a bit to see if he's got a live one in this group of students.
- Alison speaks up, as is appropriate since she's the protagonist.
- She immediately makes two mistakes: she assumes the right to speak for the class as a whole, and she calls the professor a bully. He nails her on both points, laughing at her assumed "we" and illuminating the not-so-thinly veiled threat in her accuastion. He then challenges her to state an axiom.
- Alison makes a lame evasion, which the prof isn't fooled by for a second. Then she offers a more eloquent "axiom" (which I suspect is not anywhere near as heartfelt as she pretends it is, but more something she thinks sounds good).
- The prof makes a surprising assessment, suggesting her seemingly benign axiom befits a tyrant.
- Now he's introducing an ethical challenge to the class, tabling the "tyrant" expalantion for the moment (though we are promised a more complete answer later... and it's a savvy move to make Alison sit there and think about the idea herself for a while).

Maybe as this scene plays out the author's bias will show up, and maybe seeing it out of context of the rest of the comic isn't giving me a clear enough picture. But taken as a stand-alone scene, I'm quite intrigued. The prof. strikes me as a sharp, experienced thinker who is shedding light on areas where Alison is shallow and hypocritical. Even if he turns out to be a "villain," he is at least testing the "hero" in an interesting way and forcing her to re-examine her convictions.

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Apr 12 16 8:22 PM

I think this is just an unusual scene, since the self-insert SJW is getting challenged for a change by someone who will almost certainly turn out to be a villain (and thus automatically discredited). Go read the first 20 pages. The author shoves her hamfisted opinions shoulder-deep into you.

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Apr 12 16 8:47 PM

I honestly didn't consider that the professor might be a supervillain, I just assumed that he's either an ass (because patriarchy) or he's actually doing his job in spite of the protaganist's discomfort. I think we're being too optimistic here.

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Apr 12 16 11:32 PM

plarblman wrote:
I honestly didn't consider that the professor might be a supervillain, I just assumed that he's either an ass (because patriarchy) or he's actually doing his job in spite of the protaganist's discomfort. I think we're being too optimistic here.

True - and if the mini-arc about tyrant axioms turns out to teach our SFP a good lesson in "benevolent tyrany" or something like that, then IMO it might go a long way to help redeem the comic.

But damn, the comic is taking its sweet time getting to the fucking point 

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Apr 13 16 4:24 PM

I probably should've mentioned that there was already an arc where a gay male professor with a dead husband was picking on poor Alison and she almost got him fired or something, but I didn't want to go looking for it at the time. Now that I am looking back on it, the shit involving that professor doesn't take up nearly as much time as the philosophy lecture and was interrupted by a monster fights, so this new arc is even worse than I thought.

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Apr 13 16 5:44 PM

Honestly, you really can't compare this to computer love. Yeah, it was weird having everyone be gay and polyamorous, but it was still pretty inoffensive. There wasn't any holier- than-thou protagonist who could threaten people she didn't like, let alone allow a vigilante to murder people.

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Apr 14 16 4:22 PM

Started reading this in depth, sorry if this comes out as a clusterfuck as I'm doing this as I go. Issue 1 doesn't seem to bad, but now I'm at Issue 2 and holy shit SFP's literally a bloodthirsty psychopath. She says she loves fighting more than anything and the only reason she stopped is because she doesn't think she's making the world any better. This is a pretty intriguing angle, especially if professor guy can prove that she's going to become a tyrant, but I'll need to keep reading.

The mind-reading pseudovillain is giving me the heeby-jeebies. "I don't really identify as a person, but I try really hard to do good things." *shudders* If there's anyone who's going to convince SFP to go full tyrant, it's going to be him.

Issue 3, Lizardgirl's an interesting story. Starts off as an antihero, has a crisis of confidence after SFP stops superheroing, travels around the world meeting people, then decides, "Hey, I've got regenerative powers, I can be a universal organ donor FOREVER." There's definitely some interesting ideas in here. Too bad the Westboro Baptist Church of superheroes decides to show up. Funny thing, someone actually points out that if she loved that Occupy protest from the beginning so much, she should allow this protest as well. And some badguy burns her to death... I think this ties into what pseduo-badguy was saying earlier about superheroes who try to fix the world are being killed off. And holy shit, SFP is PISSED. And she even has the protesters cowering before her.

And holy shit, she's going on about how people let her get away with this because she's not scary looking. I don't know about you, but I think it has more to do with the fact that nobody can stop her. No wonder professor guy thinks she's a tyrant.

Issue 4, Dad has this weird moment where he says you don't HAVE to dress up like a fairy and she's all but I want to be a fairy. This scene has nothing to do with what they're talking about, it just comes out of nowhere and he's acting so apologetic. Yikes. Also "Nobody in the world is normal," Technically wrong. I hear this all the time from people who don't understand what normal means. It mean the population can be evenly distributed along a bell curve. Not everyone is the same, but there's a definitive pattern where the majority of people will fall under. For example, it's normal to be straight because ~95% of the population is straight. There is no value judgement attached to that, it's a simple statement of fact. Anyways, she discovers her superpowers, blah blah blah. Mexican kid convinces her to be a hero.

Oh no, Dad's got cancer... Wait, hold on. Didn't we establish that lizardgirl can replace organs? Why not just have her grow him a new pancreas? Assuming the cancer hasn't metasticized, it should work. Anyway, her sister turns out is an anti-super sympathizer. But they make up and stuff.

Issue 5, Ah. This must be the murder-rape arc I heard about. This will be fun. And by fun I mean deeply unpleasant. But ok, let's play along. So we are to assume that this rapists are in fact rapists because mysterious shadow-warp thing says so. Or rather, it's egging this girl on with promises of revenge. Honestly, even if she were being honest about her own rape, this could easily spiral out of control if she started targeting other people. Imagine if she were involved with the UVA incident?

Anyways, I'm getting the impression that with the constant use of the word "biodynamic" we're doing the whole XMan "mutant = gay" thing.

Ahaha, now we're getting into it. So a guy is escorting a drunk girl away from a part, and SFP just FLIPS. So, two issues here. 1. If she suspected that bro-dude was going to rape the girl, she had other options available than strangle the guy. 2. She's accusing everyone of being complicit with rapists for not immediately going after the guy, despite the fact that they're understandable freaked out over the situation. Even if what he was doing was shady, you can't expect people at a riotous party to be 100% aware of everything going around them. The lack of information is likely the reason why they're upset. Again, she could have handled the situation a lot better.

Okay, let's see how far the rabbithole goes. Now we're getting to the moralizing. Roomates are saying drunk girl needs to practice safe drinking like every responsible adult on the planet. SFP calls it victim blaming. And whaddayaknow, she's a hypocrite too. SFP says she doesn't drink for safety reasons, which I assume means she doesn't want to lose control when drunk... which is EXACTLY the same reason why you don't drink and drive, or get drunk at a party.

Ah, now the Judge is being murdered too, but he was a wifebeater, so he deserves it.

SFP makes the monstrous error of assuming batboy has a mom and dad. HEATHEN! HETERONORMATIVE SCUM! BURN THE HERETIC!!!!

Holy shit the comic actually addresses the idea that superheroes going after ordinary people might be a nightmare for due process! How's this going to be ignored in the forthcoming plot?

Aha, so because SFP left the superhero team in a huff and put undue pressure on her teammates, Mary's the one who turns into the psycho killer vigilante. So there's no excuses here of the killer being some all-knowing entity who knows without a doubt that her victims actually did the crimes they're accused of. Again, Mary would've leveled UVA if she listened to Jackie.

Aaaaaand more vigilantism. I honest to god hope Mary murders someone who is definitively innocent if only because it prevents the comic from condoning her actions.

So we're getting some long-winded spiel about "no glory save honor" which I think might be a metaphor for the working class? I don't know. It makes no sense.

Fuck this issue's long. "I don't see why making an AI would be a bad idea, humans do terrible things all the time." YOU FUCKING IDIOT. If you learned anything about automation, it's that whatever they can do, they can do it tirelessly and infinitely. That should be reason enough on why it would be worse for one of them to start a war or build a doomsday weapon.

Ah, now the slasher's killed a guy who hasn't actually raped anyone but might have. So we doing precrime now? Are we going to execute babies right out of the womb for crimes they might commit? And everyone seems to be okay with this slasher. If this comic tries to pull some rape culture bullshit, this is basically going to contradict it.

AAAAAAHHHHH THEY USE THE 1 IN 4 MYTH WE'VE REACHED FULL SOCJUS NOW BOI Also the completely unfounded 2% of rapists go to jail myth to boot. Lady, if we knew those men were definitively rapists they would have been put to jail. But innocent until proven guilty is such a crock, am I right? Oh yeah, and rape culture is mentioned by name.

For once douchey white superhero is right! The killer IS targeting accused rapists who were on the news. But I get the feeling he's being set up into an MRA Redpiller whose sole purpose is to be murdered, and it will be treated as a good thing.

"Pro-police and military, anti-government" what the fucking fuck this is not a real political position. NOBODY CAN BE THIS STUPID. Is douchey white superhero supposed to be like a straw libertarian or something? Aaaaaand now he's being targeted by the slasher for some reason. I don't recall him raping anyone. Was there ever even a hint of it? I guess slasher girl's just killing anyone who's being douchey now.

So apparently, because SFP is invincible, she doesn't know "what it's like to be a real woman." ...you know what, extreme patronization aside, I'm saving this the next time a radfem wants to justify making an invincible Mary Sue character. Also, douchey white superhero saves the day by being an idiot.

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU YOU ARE A VILLAIN SLASHER GIRL. You can't prove someone is a rapist by threat of violence, and truth serum hasn't been proven to be effective! You're basically torturing people to get the answer you want, of course they're going to admit guilt! You're the fucking Spanish Inquisition! "The world was ready to hate them for expecting justice" BITCH PLEASE. Nobody loves injustice. Nobody hates the victim. But here's the crucial dilemma that you and so many people crying "rape culture" don't seem to get: Until proven in the court of law, we don't know if the accused or the accuser is the victim. If Mayella Ewell came to you and said she was raped by Tom Robinson, would you take her at her word and slit his throat? FUCK YOU YOU'RE THE REASON THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE DUE PROCESS IN THIS COUNTRY. And icing on the cake, she straight up admits that she doesn't care if she takes innocent lives. SO WHAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT. She's literally trying to rule by fear.

Sorry for the rant. This is something I'm pretty passionate about, as you can tell.

Ah, the apologia. "So what if there's already violence in the world? Whats a few more stacked bodies to feed into a national hysteria?" This is worse than wide-eyed idealism. It's fucking solipsistic demagogery. Jesus Christ.

Okay, we're finally getting somewhere halfway decent. SFP makes the big breakthrough that trying to save the world alone is a really bad idea. Especially since nobody has all the answers. Good. (I would point out that this is exactly why nobody should be judge jury and executioner, but I'm sure the point would be lost on this comic). So this superhero hotline could be a good idea... but I could see it backfiring tremendously if all it takes for a super to rough someone up is just point a finger (again, a point that would be lost on the comic)

Okay we're finally fucking done with issue 5 ONTO ISSUE 6

So. beginning is a whole lotta nothing. I don't mean its inconsequential per se, I'm just not interested. SFP saves guy from a fire. SFP gets his number. She meets with Hector etc etc.

And then we finally get to professor asshole. You already know my thoughts on the matter.

OK. That was a slog, but not impossible. Let me know if you guys think that's good enough material for a review. If so I'll get to work on a draft then.

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