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Sep 25 16 7:57 PM

SmashLampjaw wrote:
There's nothing modern about feminists in favor of whoring it up (literally and figuratively). That's been a part of feminism for, what, 5 or 6 decades? The feminist opposition to it has also been a part of feminism for even longer and there have typically been more of them. The problem being that feminism is a headless, broadly-defined movement that includes a lot of contradictions because the people in it don't give a damn about agreeing with each other.

Ishida has been a part of the "prostitution is the most you can objectify women short of literally enslaving them" camp since he started his comic's Patriarchy death spiral. It should come as no surprise that he still views sex for money as a negative.
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CNN BREAKING NEWS ALERT: Tats is adopting the SWERF label as a badge of honor, and the Sinfest forums are flipping their shit.

How did you infer that SWERF was being used as a badge of honor when every other word in the context of that panel is an insult? He's pretty clearly using all of those word to depict his bullshit child-feminist hero as driving through hateful invective unphased. It's pretentious and arrogant as hell, but it doesn't strike me as some kind of ironic adoption of the term.

He's including it (and bolding it!) in a list of names the Evil Patriarchy is throwing at Xanthe, i.e., claiming that getting called a Swerf means you're on the right side. 

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Sep 25 16 8:14 PM

Essay Mod wrote:
He's including it (and bolding it!) in a list of names the Evil Patriarchy is throwing at Xanthe, i.e., claiming that getting called a Swerf means you're on the right side.
I get that he's throwing it in with the other insults. What I'm not getting is how you made the leap from that to saying bold-facing it means you get called that when you're right, and then made the leap from that to saying he's personally wearing the term like a badge of honor. Juxtaposed against the panel that leads into it panels it leads into, you'd more easily come to the conclusion he's saying women who become prostitutes and women who oppose prostitution both get insulted for their choices. Whatever it is you're basing what you said on is not so obvious that repeating yourself becomes elaboration.

Is there something you're leaving out, perhaps from the forums or comments, that are not in the comic?

EDIT: Realized the panel appears midway, not at the end. The image presentation earlier threw me off since it appears twice.

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Sep 25 16 8:52 PM

So Tats acknowledges that there's at least a faction within feminism that finds his views objectionable... but he can't have that represented in the comic, oh no. Can't have the feminists be divided in their opinions and weaken their united front against the patriarchy. They all have to hold the exact same beliefs and not have any individuality whatsoever. Ergo, these sentiments must come from the patriarchy!

aka women cannot excercise their own agency, both in the sense that women can willingly want to be sex workers, and women can have disagreements over what's more empowering for themselves.

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Sep 26 16 9:18 AM

SmashLampjaw wrote:

Essay Mod wrote:
He's including it (and bolding it!) in a list of names the Evil Patriarchy is throwing at Xanthe, i.e., claiming that getting called a Swerf means you're on the right side.

I get that he's throwing it in with the other insults. What I'm not getting is how you made the leap from that to saying bold-facing it means you get called that when you're right, and then made the leap from that to saying he's personally wearing the term like a badge of honor. Juxtaposed against the panel that leads into it panels it leads into, you'd more easily come to the conclusion he's saying women who become prostitutes and women who oppose prostitution both get insulted for their choices. Whatever it is you're basing what you said on is not so obvious that repeating yourself becomes elaboration.

Is there something you're leaving out, perhaps from the forums or comments, that are not in the comic?

EDIT: Realized the panel appears midway, not at the end. The image presentation earlier threw me off since it appears twice.

Actually the words around the prostitutes aren't insults, they're mostly descriptions of sex acts and stuff like "we all get exploited" and "you chose this". Remember, these words are The Dread Patriarchy which is infused into everything (I can't believe he's still stuck on The Matrix, why can't he do anything new?), so everything these words say is supposed to be wrong and evil. If anything, it's Tatsuya whose implying that their choice really isn't a choice, ever.

So I think Essay Mod has a point. Since everything The Dread Patriarchy says is bad, insults flung by the patriarchy can clearly be taken as signs of a person being "right". He's pretty clearly saying that being called a SWERF or sex negative is both an insult, but also a sign that you're in the right. The funny thing is, "SWERF" and "sex-negative feminist" are both ideological descriptors. They can be misapplied as insults, sort of like calling someone a Nazi or Commie, but if someone literally has a shaved head and a swastika tattoo, is a white supremacist, and belongs to some kind of "national socialist" group, calling them a Nazi is ACCURATE. Calling a self-identified Marxist a Commie is ACCURATE. Likewise, calling Tatsuya sex-negative is ACCURATE based on the viewpoints he presents in his comic. He's EXTREMELY sex-negative. That he takes it as an insult just shows that he's not secure enough in his beliefs to be honest with himself about them.

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Sep 26 16 9:46 AM

"Sex Negative" is such a weird destructive idea. Dont people realize that the reason we have sex is for procreation? Yeah, you can do what you want with sex, and I dont care what you do, but the reason it exist is becuase it creates life. Thats why it feels good, since its primarily there so that you make more babies. Sex is not a demeaning idea, its something you need to do to survive as a species. Its so stupid.

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Sep 26 16 11:41 AM

fallinq wrote:
Actually the words around the prostitutes aren't insults, they're mostly descriptions of sex acts and stuff like "we all get exploited" and "you chose this".
Maybe "insults" was too simple a word. My point was that both prostitutes and people who oppose prostitution get negativity from, oddly enough, pro-prostitution feminists.
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So I think Essay Mod has a point. Since everything The Dread Patriarchy says is bad, insults flung by the patriarchy can clearly be taken as signs of a person being "right".
Those are things being said by other feminists, not the Patriarchy. You can't make the argument that the Patriarchy is in favor of legal prostitution given that the Patriarchy made it illegal in the first place and is (presumably) why it's still illegal.

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Sep 26 16 1:04 PM

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So I think Essay Mod has a point. Since everything The Dread Patriarchy says is bad, insults flung by the patriarchy can clearly be taken as signs of a person being "right".

Those are things being said by other feminists, not the Patriarchy. You can't make the argument that the Patriarchy is in favor of legal prostitution given that the Patriarchy made it illegal in the first place and is (presumably) why it's still illegal.

Are they by other feminists though? Last time I tuned in, the Matrix-y word scrolls were the Patriarchy (hence the radfem shades let women see the "truth" about how the world runs). Also, you're giving Tatsuya more credit for logic than I'm willing to give him. I'll bet if you asked him about why the Patriarchy would do such an illogical thing as encourage women to be prostitutes and then make prostitution illegal he would say "becuz its easier to oppress women that way" or some such hand-waving nonsense.

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Sep 27 16 2:43 AM

SmashLampjaw wrote:

Essay Mod wrote:
He's including it (and bolding it!) in a list of names the Evil Patriarchy is throwing at Xanthe, i.e., claiming that getting called a Swerf means you're on the right side.

I get that he's throwing it in with the other insults. What I'm not getting is how you made the leap from that to saying bold-facing it means you get called that when you're right, and then made the leap from that to saying he's personally wearing the term like a badge of honor. Juxtaposed against the panel that leads into it panels it leads into, you'd more easily come to the conclusion he's saying women who become prostitutes and women who oppose prostitution both get insulted for their choices. Whatever it is you're basing what you said on is not so obvious that repeating yourself becomes elaboration.

Is there something you're leaving out, perhaps from the forums or comments, that are not in the comic?

EDIT: Realized the panel appears midway, not at the end. The image presentation earlier threw me off since it appears twice.

Ever since the character started showing up in the comic again, she's been anti-sex. Her first strip is her attacking Nique for the crime of *gasp* exposing her mid-riff. 

Basically I think what Essay Mod is trying to say (Sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth) is that Tat is aware his Mary Sue has been called these things, but believe it's just misogyny masquerading as progressivism, like when he wrote those strip about how people would talk about third wave feminism and say Tat's views were outdated, only for him to just dismiss this as regular misogyny. He doesn't see the label of SWERF as an insult, to him it's part of his views and how he thinks the world should be.

Oh, and in case anyone is unaware, SWERF stands for Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminism. Essentially means that strippers, prostitutes, escorts, etc. are tools of the patriarchy and any woman who is one should be shamed. 

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Sep 27 16 8:29 PM

All right, I'll put it another way. The entire comic is Ishida's attempt at criticizing people for downplaying the damage of prostitution. I'll go row-by-row, then tie it back into where I have a disconnect with one of Essay Mod's conclusions.
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Row 1: It has the euphemisms and oversimplifications that equate prostitution to any other job with customers

Row 2: I literally have no idea what confused message is going on in the left panel because I don't know the character. The right panel is the unbearable feminist character, with hostility thrown at her, which we understand is for her opposition to sex work solely because we know her character.

Row 3: Reality breaking through the euphemisms (business version) as you go from left to right, ending with an excuse to replace the arguments that were presumably defeated.

Row 4: Reality breaking through the euphemisms (positive-sex feminism version) as you go from left to right, ending with a dismissal to replace the arguments that were presumably defeated.




The whole of the comic can be boiled down to Ishida saying, "If you're pro-sex work, you're making shit up to sell it or willfully ignoring reality."

Regardless of if you agree with that message, I'm not seeing how someone can conclude that bold-facing "SWERF" means Ishida is wearing it as a badge of honor. Which, incidentally, is the bit I was asking about. Essay Mod could be right, if there's something in this comic that's an external reference, or if Ishida declared something and Essay Mod conflated that into the comic. That's why I was asking if he'd drawn that conclusion from something like a thread or comments section thing he just didn't repost here. The comic itself doesn't appear to be about Ishida at all. It seems to be totally about a specific movement he disagrees with.

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ohitsyou wrote:
"Sex Negative" is such a weird destructive idea. Dont people realize that the reason we have sex is for procreation? Yeah, you can do what you want with sex, and I dont care what you do, but the reason it exist is becuase it creates life. Thats why it feels good, since its primarily there so that you make more babies. Sex is not a demeaning idea, its something you need to do to survive as a species. Its so stupid.

This is all speculation, but I think these people consider to be mostly or entirely destructive, and while they acknowledge the necessity of procreation, probably don't care enough about future generations to care about the replacement rate. At most it's a necessary evil - for women, anyway. I assume what they would consider an ideal alternative would be test tube babies grown in artificial wombs, thus liberating women from both pregnancy and the biological impulse for sex.

And if you get on the more extreme side, you'll find sex negative feminists saying things like "There's no such thing as a heterosexual woman, they've all been brainwashed by rape culture into desiring their oppressors" or "all penis-in-vagina sex is rape" or "consent isn't possible with a man" but most of the time they'll say low-key things like how "problematic" or "destructive" things like porn and sex work are to women as a whole, rather than on an individual level. 

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Oct 2 16 11:30 PM

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Edit: Disregard, I suck cocks
What.

I hopped over to your review page in an attempt to guess what you wrote. So apparently Ishida is no longer using the Patriarchy Matrix scroll for Patriarchy, if I am reading your blog right?

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Oct 6 16 11:07 AM

Hey, just yesterday I found 2 commissioned bound and gagged fetish pics of the Sisterhood. Yes, Sinfest Sisterhood. I believe the artist was MisterEye? On a scale of One to One Trillion, how triggered would Tats be upon seeing that?

The sisterhood also has an entry on the Villains Wiki....

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Oct 6 16 11:10 AM

My money is on that he would just pretend to be triggered by them and put on a whole public display of anger while he saves the pictures to his hardrive...

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Tats FINALLY acknowledged current politics!

Not in a clever, funny, or even particularly coherent way, but it's at least confirmation that he does still have some contact with the outside world and hasn't completely sealed himself off in his home with nothing but his pets, occasional google searches of his own name, and the complete works of Andrea Dworkin for company.

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FINALLY he does something to reference Trump.


That giant evil America mech was just so generic and boring.

Yeah, it took till Trump's election was old news for Tats to acknowledge his existence. I don't understand the logic of making such a politically charged comic set in (sort of) the real world if you're going to be this behind the times.

And he STILL screwed it up horribly. Song parodies, but some of them are attributed to spoofs of actual musicians while others are attributed to spoofs of politicians or characters from the comic. There's no consistency. It's all over the damn place.

And then we get to the "punchline" about Trump. "Donald Tremendous Bigly"? "My Milkshake Brings All the Nazis to the Yard"? What?! Everything else was pig puns. Not only are those not pig puns, they're not puns at all! "Donald Trump Jr" sounds nothing like "Donald Tremendous Bigly". "Nazis" isn't a wordplay on "boys". It's incredibly lazy.

And the cream on the crap sundae is how he's STILL obsessed with Sarah Palin! Does anyone besides Tats actually care about Sarah Palin at this point? Of all the other more relevant politicians to mock he picked pig Sarah Palin again. Ten to one odds Tats is obsessed with her in a sexual way. And since she's one of those Republican allies of the Patriarchy he doesn't have to feel as guilty about it during his wank sessions...

The more I think about it, the worse it gets.

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