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May 19 17 1:17 AM

One more thing I think it would be worth mentioning and I'd like to at least have considered for the review is that yes, ethical treatment of animals and the best possible care is a very reasonable thing to want. They definitely shouldn't be put through any unnecessary suffering for the food industry.

It is also however important to note that nature is a non-stop murder machine and the carnage is ceaseless, so don't be naive about that fact either. Don't forget it's a jungle out there (well, it is!).

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May 19 17 2:51 AM

Well if we can point to a claim made in the comic "there is icky shit in milk" and then point to credible articles by dairy farmers and whatnot, who say "no there isn't" then we can slap the comic around just fine.

hell, the comic arguably defeats itself with the one where they make a quip about bacteria - because apparently they don't count as living beings? On that point we can drill into the hypocrisy of the vague and arbitrary nature of what constitutes life worth saving/protecting by these jokers

and then we can wrap up the review by pointing out that the jokers making the comic are hypocritical liars

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May 19 17 3:16 AM

In general, I think there's dangers in getting too granular and fine detail with these arguments. People write literal textbooks on this sort of stuff. Sure, if there's some specifically egregious specific examples to rebut it's worth considering provided there's a credible source (reputable science journal yes, newspaper ... probably not - that sort of thing).

I think this sort of thing is probably a better area in general for what we do and what our remit is which is looking at how arguments are constructed when it comes to factual topics as opposed to total fiction like izzus did here:

Meat eaters are like Hitler.
Point at anyone and I can compare at least some aspect of them to Hitler. Take for example:
You like dogs? Hitler loved dogs. How about women's rights? Hitler was pro-choice, and claimed that women were the backbone of Germany. How about socialism? Hitler had many socialist policies put into action, such as the distribution of wealth and restrictions on what banks could do. Oh and here's a good one: Gun control. Hitler heavily restricted who could own firearms in Nazi Germany.
I just did the exact same thing Priya did, and now dog-loving liberals are also like Hitler. The point being that comparing anyone to Hitler is easy. And stupid. It's just a way to get your statements kicked in the ass like I just did to this claim. So don't fucking do it.

(I'm going to mention here that the Third Reich had some of the worlds best anti-smoking campaigns even by today's standards. However, you obviously can't separate it from the rest of what they did.)

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May 19 17 3:29 AM

Shan wrote:
In general, I think there's dangers in getting too granular and fine detail with these arguments. People write literal textbooks on this sort of stuff. Sure, if there's some specifically egregious specific examples to rebut it's worth considering provided there's a credible source (reputable science journal yes, newspaper ... probably not - that sort of thing).

I think this sort of thing is probably a better area in general for what we do and what our remit is which is looking at how arguments are constructed when it comes to factual topics as opposed to total fiction like izzus did here:

Meat eaters are like Hitler.
Point at anyone and I can compare at least some aspect of them to Hitler. Take for example:
You like dogs? Hitler loved dogs. How about women's rights? Hitler was pro-choice, and claimed that women were the backbone of Germany. How about socialism? Hitler had many socialist policies put into action, such as the distribution of wealth and restrictions on what banks could do. Oh and here's a good one: Gun control. Hitler heavily restricted who could own firearms in Nazi Germany.
I just did the exact same thing Priya did, and now dog-loving liberals are also like Hitler. The point being that comparing anyone to Hitler is easy. And stupid. It's just a way to get your statements kicked in the ass like I just did to this claim. So don't fucking do it.

(I'm going to mention here that the Third Reich had some of the worlds best anti-smoking campaigns even by today's standards. However, you obviously can't separate it from the rest of what they did.)

You forgot to mention that Hitler was a vegetarian.  He hated meat was why.

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May 19 17 7:29 AM

Well, key thing is, we have a few things piling up including this which I think should at least get a mod assessment to determine add to Wiki or redraft. Probably changes needed in most to all cases but just as long as something other than nothing is happening, I suppose.

I imagine this ones at the very least close to front page listing but IMO, I'd like to at least discuss the Factual Accuracy section first.

http://badwebcomicswikiforum.yuku.com/reply/19943/Requests-to-Update-the-Wikis-New-Review-List#reply-19943

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